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Ok agility and other miscellaneous dog peoples: what does your actual week of training look like? And is this by default or choice? Do you have a more ideal sked or plan in mind? Details please. Or not.

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teaguestoy
Apr. 15th, 2014 02:39 pm (UTC)
I will reply later with a sort of schedule, BUT, all the tags are hysterical....
dinahprincedaly
Apr. 15th, 2014 05:38 pm (UTC)
oh good!!
nosemovie
Apr. 15th, 2014 03:47 pm (UTC)
I wish I had a real schedule.
But this is very timely for me, because of the information about ASCA Nationals in my back yard, I am going to get SERIOUS!
and Serious for me means these things:

2-3 times a week backyard training for meals (mostly for Rumble) weaves/tunnel/jumps because that's what we have. This also is dependent on the weather.

Tuesday night class (Rumble)

Barn time on Friday nights (non-competition weeks) for BOTH boys

GYM time for me. I hope to start with twice a week and bump it up when I can (probably after my Monday night teaching gig is over in late May)

Also, more shaping and working tricks for both boys. Razor has Nosework right now (we've hit a snag...) but both boys should be working for their dinners in some fashion.


dinahprincedaly
Apr. 15th, 2014 05:43 pm (UTC)
Re: I wish I had a real schedule.
ok so then the next questions would be
Is your training more effective and organized when you have goals?
Do you train in deliberate cycles? (build up, back off, rest, push harder)
When does less become more?

I wonder if anyone keeps a dog training log book?
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biggmellon
Apr. 15th, 2014 04:33 pm (UTC)
For me it all depends on whether I am into something or not. If I am in, I am obsessive and can't seem to get enough in which case my training is worked into everything. If I am not into it, I train here and there when the inspiration hits.

So for example raising Emily while she was learning new behaviors I used every meal to teach new tricks and skills, we also worked everytime walking to the car, on every walk, everywhere I went I'd pull her out of the car and work on play and tricks, etc. If I added it all together I probably spent 2 hours or more training her everyday, but all broken into pieces of 5-10 minutes at a time.

Once training agility, I worked at the arena for 30 minutes twice a week, split into 2 or 3 sessions with breaks. Then at home during the week we worked on dogwalk running twice a day, everyday for 5 minutes or so, then jump drills once a day for 5-10 minutes probably 4 days a week.

One of the things a person learns when they get their first border collie, how long you want to train becomes much less of an issue. Basically my two border collies will train anytime I want, for as long as I want. At least compared to many other breeds. When I train my goldens if I try to train more than 10 minutes a day they are ready to walk away and go find something more interesting to do. My non-bc breeds have had far far far less tolerance for repetition.
dinahprincedaly
Apr. 15th, 2014 05:47 pm (UTC)
How do you/did you keep track of what you wanted to train?
Do you keep a list of goals/behaviors?

Did you always go to the arena with specific skills and drills in mind?
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moodypdx
Apr. 15th, 2014 05:02 pm (UTC)
I teach on Monday, Tuesday, and Sunday nights. Monday morning I like to introduce new behaviors and jumping drills to the dogs. I usually work them both for about 10 minutes each, broken up in pieces before I teach and after I teach. Tuesday is our really training day, where I teach real understanding to what was introduced the day before. For Freddie we usually continue jumping skills, pretty much all we work on are jumps and tunnels, his skills and mine, he rarely ever sees contacts at this point. Hi-Fi is working on obstacles, handling, jumping skills, everything, so he gets more floor time, about 15 minutes total broken up into pieces over eight hours. Freddie is at about 10 minutes. Hi-Fi gets about 5 minutes on Sunday of arena time, I like to go over the things that were introduced the days prior. I like to proof them in the different arena.

I do not do much during the rest of the week because I work such long hours and I would rather the dogs have exercise that is not agility based.
dinahprincedaly
Apr. 15th, 2014 06:49 pm (UTC)
How do you organize what skills to work for the week? How do you set priorities? how much winging it do you do and how much is lesson plan ahead of time?

so ok also thats interesting... what proportion of all you do with the dogs is agility training
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loralei913
Apr. 15th, 2014 05:55 pm (UTC)
I have class once a week, and I usually work two dogs, normally Kraft and Spy, but occasionally I substitute Marron for Spy. Then I probably do three or four sessions a week at home (now that the weather is good) of about 20-30 minutes each. The bulk of this time is spent doing RDW work with Kraft, and I try to sprinkle in handling in sequences leading up to the DW, but I'll also let the girls have a short turn. For Spy, she can always use weave pole proofing, contact tunnel work, and teeter reinforcement so very short sequences, 4-5 obstacles max. I'll usually work Marron on the same exercises, more so she feels included than because she needs actual work.

I don't do nearly the amount of trick training or ball work in the summer, though today might be a good day for it. I do consider all the hiking we do (usually four times a week) "training" since it does more for keeping them fit and able to play the game than actual training does, especially for Marron who doesn't really need training any more, just needs to stay fit enough to keep doing what she's doing.
dinahprincedaly
Apr. 15th, 2014 06:52 pm (UTC)
how long are your hikes? and do you have hiking games---recalls and stays or just hike
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agilejack
Apr. 15th, 2014 06:27 pm (UTC)
I am terribly disorganized and un-focused in my training of Bender.

So much so that this question depresses me a little.
dinahprincedaly
Apr. 15th, 2014 06:46 pm (UTC)
So your default training would be allowing him to enoy being a dog and how great is that?! I'm mixed on the pup young/dog training--what that should look like. The question is different for the young dog vs trained dog I guess.
I'm watching Silvia and her pup and I know her foundations online class and I own her foundations video and MEBs foundations video series and LMs jumping book and her foundations book and I subscribed to the Raising Ven blog and also recently purchased a shitload of puppy books:
Building Blocks for Performance
The Focused Puppy
The Puppy Primer
CU the puppy program

Over the top puppy training consumer? I bet I use less than 2% of it all
I'm just so unorganized

But I was thinking more of how far Stella and I have to go and how to get there. And I guess I'm worried about puppy training overwhelming too honestly.

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penichops
Apr. 16th, 2014 01:37 am (UTC)
Mine is very random as you well know :) I don't promote that this is a good thing at all hehehe

But one thing I am super proud of inventing recently that stops me from obsessing in between session (which for me leads to overtraining) is to set my next sequence up in the back yard at the end of my last training session. For some reason this makes me calm down and feel more directed and patient. Not sure why. I think it has something to do with knowing what I am going to train and so I can't deviate and get excited about something irrelevant and totally stupid in between.

I do most of my training when I get home from work, perhaps 3 nights a week for 10mins. Then I go to a class on some Saturdays and Sunday is hiking. Afterwork each night I try to give the dogs 1hours running off leash at the park or 45mins on lead around the block if I am too lazy. A big run after training on Saturday and Sunday big hike too.

Thanks for asking all these questions. It helps me to write them out, more than it will help you but I have found you very helpful this past week so thanks.
dinahprincedaly
Apr. 17th, 2014 03:46 am (UTC)
I like that set up for tomorrow today when you finish idea!
We can probably do that in the summer although I worry a little about critters in the tunnels. In the city what ever I carry in comes out. And when I am not full time in ct everything has to go away too. People mess with things when we are not there. Hardly anyone is living on the lake year round and it's tempting to trouble makers of all kinds to make trouble.
But this summer... Good idea
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sclmarm
Apr. 16th, 2014 02:33 am (UTC)
Right now my dogs get equipment time on Mondays and Thursdays. The other five days a week we go on 2.5 mile walks/hikes where they run amok off leash. I work on recalls with the evil Noodle and the other two are allowed to do what they like. If we have water access and it's not to cold, they do do a little bit of swimming. I train holes. When I go to class or a trial and there is a hole or a skill that needs work, that's what I work on. I will play one strike your out in the backyard in the evenings sometimes and work on those skills. The one thing I'm organized about is teaching weaving. I make sure I'm going to have about a month that I can work on weaves 6 days a week. After that I practice them when I can or need to.

I've had four agility dogs and only one I got as a puppy, which was Beep. I got all kinds of books and such and then had training paralysis because I was sure I was going to mess up or forget something. I got to thinking, my first agility dog, Max who I got when he was a year and a half old, turned out pretty darn good and decided not to worry about it. It felt like FOREVER before he could do real agility too! Puppies, not my thing.

I guess my thing is that you don't really have to do anything with your puppy until it's a year old. It's like human kids who go to preschool... they may be ahead of the game when they start school, but by third grade they've lost the advantage and the playing field levels. Enjoy your puppy and don't worry about training. :)
dinahprincedaly
Apr. 22nd, 2014 03:08 pm (UTC)
I have so many training issues with Stel that need work or figuring out (or it feels that way), its hard to prioritize and kind of keep all the balls in the air so to speak... I REALLY like the idea of not having to RUSH a puppy.
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teaguestoy
Apr. 17th, 2014 05:33 pm (UTC)
Because I promised!

We Flyte - like with others - since she's a youngster she gets the most training time - official time. We train probably 4 days out of 5 before I go to work.So I work her on weaves, and starting the A-Frame, at about 7:15 for about 10 minutes all together.

In the afternoons we do same thing. They also get lots of ball throwing and tugging on these days. At least three of those days I also do some jump training with her - again, no more than 10 minutes of actual jumping time. This includes sequences as well as just recalls to hand over jumps, etc. I refuse to have another dog that can't collect :)

At least one day during the weekdays, we all go for a hike - about an 1 or so, sometimes 1 and 1/2, very hilly. We do recalls and pay attention things, cause, well, Flyte is flyte.

Teague - Mondays are dog class - so he gets to run in class. Flyte isn't in a class so she whines and barks in the car.
Teague almost always takes Tuesday off. It is my long hell day - leave to be at work by 8:00, not home until 8:00 - so sometimes we do a big ball throwing campaign with the dogs in the back yard for thirty minutes or so.

Weds - I usually work him on short sequences - trying to focus on what we've been having a problem with. Right now that's DW, but I had to take it down (it takes up tons of my yard) so we're just doing nose touches on a board.

Thursday for Teague is usually just another run around day - hopefully go to the beach and run. Maybe the woods.

Friday, if I'm not heading to a trial, I go to a large field to practice big courses (Monday we're in a small space). Lots of running. I often work both Teague and Flyte. In fact, two weeks ago, Flyte did the most obstacles she's ever done together - she sequenced nicely :)

Saturday is often a play in the yard day for Teague as well as strengthening exercises. (Or big hike)
Sunday, agility, big hike, etc. If it's agility, it will be again working on what he needs, jump work - which I think of as strenthening as well as form.

Now that I will have a bigger space available for me right next to me, it will be interesting to see how this changes things.

With Flyte I have a specific idea of what I'm training - though I've gotten bad at writing any of it down. Whenever I head out to the yard, I know we're working on x. S much is foundation now, that it seems pretty uh, basic.

With Teague, like Tammy, I tend to focus on what i know isn't working in the ring - but I also am working on ways to tighten him up so that involves some work on MY timing, etc. I don't train Teague as much as Flyte because he doesn't need it (though he disagrees with this MIGHTILY) and I am protecting his body since he has had some issues with his right rear knee.

Hope that is clear


redwoodranch
Apr. 17th, 2014 07:25 pm (UTC)
I'm so glad you reposted this survey link, as I didn't have time to talk about it earlier and then I forgot. I spend half my life trying to get organized to satisfy my OCD and half my life fighting the need for it. I think the organization of training depends so much on the dog. My last 2 had the least structured puppyhoods (Lucero and Peach), and they are night and day difference. Lucero could've used huge structure and Peach has been fine. I am on a mission this summer to get organized with a training plan, a conditioning plan, and working all the dogs plan.

Up til now, it's been:
Tues - work Beam and Peach in Rally / Obedience (and Peach a lot of good dog stuff and tricks)
Wed - work up to 4 dogs in Agility
Pasture run or chuckit 1-2x a day
Last summer about 1-2 hikes a week (hike = 1.5 hours with good hill work)
Agility training is not written down and no method to my madness.

Looking forward with my barn, I'm looking for:
Yankee and Beam = agility 2x a week
Lu and Peach = agility 3x a week
Hiking 2x a week
Pasture runs daily
Conditioning 1x a week
Trick training 1x a week
*Would like to start a better journaling or *something* of what we're working on.

Edited at 2014-04-17 07:27 pm (UTC)
dinahprincedaly
Apr. 22nd, 2014 03:05 pm (UTC)
I think I need much more organization than I have had up til now. or at least I need more prep thinking so whatever I do is useful and effective. I've been too myopic. I probably could use a log so that I can get a big picture. Plus I like checking things off!

thanks for this input!!!!
cedarfield
Apr. 22nd, 2014 12:49 pm (UTC)
I've never been the type to have a training schedule, long ago I realized that making lists and schedules was only a way of organizing my thoughts. I train best when I have a deadline of some event or a weekly class. That causes me to try to do a little something every day toward that goal even if it is 5 minutes of practicing start line stays.
So I make deadlines for myself --for example, I've signed up for an agility seminar with Tracy Sklenar in May with Spriggs which means I need to work on sequencing jumps and tunnels (subject of the seminar). I spend a lot of time thinking about what to practice and why and how and where, what rewards to use, etc before I ever go outside. I look up sequences online, maybe jot them down and then if I feel like it, if I have time and if the weather cooperates, I train. I've found that a lot of learning goes on when I'm not training her so I take lots of breaks and do something else. When I come back to it, she's much better. I've also learned that less really is more. a good 5 minute training session is far more effective in terms of actual understanding on her part than 15, 20 or 30 minutes would be. This is true of all organisms. We get carried away with our own learning and force our dogs to put up with our crappy handling, mis-timed cues, starts and stops and wonder why they don't seem to love agility. We get competitive and watch people posting these great videos of their dogs and think we have to do the same. We don't see all the videos they don't post. We don't see all the dogs they went through before they got the one who could tolerate that much training. So, I tend to train very little and my dogs don't compete until they're 2 or 3 years old which is so much older than most but luckily I have lots of fun doing other things besides competing so it works for me.
dinahprincedaly
Apr. 22nd, 2014 02:57 pm (UTC)
yep, poor dogs, my stella--such good sports...

this sounds like a great approach. all the time invested in the prep thinking so the actual training is efficient and short... short and sweet!
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