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Support your Made in the USA agility goddesses...
Please.


http://www.awesomepaws.us/?cat=11

The trickledown I-stuff I've been introduced to works. Like the Yaakko in Judy's class last week and some other moves from MEB I've been sort of practicing--they absolutely do get tighter quicker turns and faster response from Stel So yeah very cool. The question for me maybe is recognizing where/how best to...or even a little IF i even need to use them. Ever in competition. Or is it just enough (for the kind of lower end comp goals I seem to have) just to try to learn something for the challenge and magic and fun of seeing if we can. So far that's my approach. Why not.

Oh and yeah. I was wondering when our top made in the USA trainers were going to say something like hey wait a minute about us seeking and throwing all our frugal moneys at gurus with accents and fancy footwork.

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moodypdx
Apr. 10th, 2013 02:44 pm (UTC)
While I agree with Linda that our system is great because it allows pretty much everyone a chance to run a course, I'm not sure what the big deal is with learning different handling moves. I don't know, why not learn something new? Why is it okay for Linda to crash and burn trying new combination cues at the exact same trial that it was NOT okay for another to try a new move? It's just agility and maybe it may not be the best move for the handler, dog, at that moment, on that course, but the handler will learn from it. Is it really all about qualifying?

My opinion is do what is fun, do what makes it fun, spend your money where you want to spend it, and enjoy the time you have. The post seemed so serious to me, I'm just not that serious about agility, it sucks the fun factor right out for me.

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meecie
Apr. 10th, 2013 03:14 pm (UTC)
"Why is it okay for Linda to crash and burn trying new combination cues at the exact same trial that it was NOT okay for another to try a new move?"

Exactly - this is what bugged me about it too.

Just because I'm newish, and without "elite" goals for agility (especially with my current dogs), that doesn't mean that I don't *love* experimenting and trying stuff out. I'm fully ok with it crashing and burning from time to time.

dinahprincedaly
Apr. 10th, 2013 04:08 pm (UTC)
image consciousness? pfft that
i crash and burn all the time. poor stella. she's such a good sport. but yeah, everyone should feel they can risk the crash and burn--try stuff thats a little out of comfort zone... not just the pros... Judy is always telling us to try stuff, its not about the Q
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dinahprincedaly
Apr. 10th, 2013 03:14 pm (UTC)
so at that sort of local trial where she was going to bust out and experiment with some new I-moves and she watched the aging handler unsuccessfully try some I-moves and confuse her dog and screw up her run, and where she says she intensly felt everyone's eyes on her and so she says that made her feel "obligation"?? to the average or less than average USA handlers... not to bust out the moves... change her plan and stick with the same old same old--as an example of country solidarity?
Or did she feel with everyones eyes on her she too would have a less than fabulous run? fail to meet a level of success her awesome brand now has to manage?
hmmmm, isn't that in part another instance of a woman dumbing herself down and for what? perfection? more sales? a sure thing?

I think you are right, its back to essentially why we do agility: and for me too its much more about the fun than the winning in the short spans we all have with our dogs so why not PLAY! why not be the player! and so Linda, why not be an example of someone playing with their dogs? playing hard, playing with new and old ideas? I can't really see this is being anti-american... but very US

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talesofmyboys
Apr. 10th, 2013 05:47 pm (UTC)
This is how I feel too, why not try something new? Agility would be boring after a while if it was the same old thing, never pushing ourselves to improve. Some of the "new moves" help my aging knees. And I'm sure I will mess up a new move, just like I mess up the old moves, which means I need to practice more. I thought the blog post was a bit condescending...
dinahprincedaly
Apr. 10th, 2013 05:59 pm (UTC)
oh man can o worms
this from the fb convo is a little condescending toooooo

Linda Mecklenburg: Wendy you don't have to agree but I think you really missed the point. If you are not svelt or fast, if you want to spend a couple hundred dollars to have someone show you skills you will be unable to use, that's certainly your choice.
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nosemovie
Apr. 10th, 2013 03:01 pm (UTC)
Hmmm,
re: "was appropriate for all dogs 2) adaptable for all teams no matter how mobile the handler was or type of course they were running, and 3) would be able to stand the test of time."

This is what she's offering? Well that makes no sense at ALL... Nothing is appropriate for all dogs. And a seminar that is THAT generic is going to be WAY Boring! WAY!!

What I wish seminar presenters would DO is limit the working spots to a sane number and ASK the handlers to send them video of their runs. All the teacher would have to do is watch 2-3 videos of the dog/handler and then TAILOR what they're going to instruct to each student. There are teams who certainly do have lofty goals and need "foreign sounding" accents to help them reach the next level. There are handlers/teams with mobility and more often MOTIVATIONAL issues who certainly need instruction of another sort.

What I think messes up seminars is the cattle call mentality that you can have 15 working teams and STILL get anything done. You can't. And you certainly can't judge what a team needs by watching them run through one course and then say something like "Yah, your dog needs to come into you more." Pffft.

When I teach a class I send out a questionnaire... And the teams are asked to name FIVE things they'd like to get out of the class. Sometimes one of those things is going to be something we're NOT going to work on (recall is the big one, I just don't have the space). But I address EVERYTHING they ask for. All of it. And we'll certainly discuss anything we can't physically work on. What stops agility presenters from offering this same thing? If I ask for "fancy handling move #2" in my questionnaire, how hard would it be to show me how to do it, and then show me how to practice it? OR!! To look at me and my dog and say "Not a good move for you two"

I respect either of those. I do. What I don't respect is seminar presenters who don't even TRY to get a feel for who they'll be teaching and what they need as an individual team. Do NOT charge me $200+ then present:
"appropriate for all dogs and adaptable for all teams. "
Unless I'm a novice handler, I already HAVE A STYLE... And that's what I need to refine and reinforce. My Balls out Red Menace does NOT run like that Basset Hound (and yes, we have a seminar student who shows up with her bassets all the time)... DO NOT teach us the same things, it's useless.

My 2-cents +~!
dinahprincedaly
Apr. 10th, 2013 04:04 pm (UTC)
certainly Judy in class will say, this move is good your you and this one is not and this is why...but you and you, this is good for your dogs to try this---she knows us, and where our dogs are at, dog style and handler style

A couple of the seminars i've been to have sent questionaires with reg form and you describe your level, what your doing and what you want to work on... i'm not sure how much its helped them get to know us as helped them to shape what they are going to present...
the one-size-seminar-fits-all as the best option---hmmm agree, not.

i think around here seminars are limited to 10 or 12... size matters.


nosemovie
Apr. 10th, 2013 04:10 pm (UTC)
Well, I'm going to get scoffed at, but I think the BEST way to determine size is to group together people who have similar interests and goals. Do one day of XYZ handling with NO MORE than 8 teams, then do another with ABC handling with again, no more than 8. But $$$ talks, so squeezing 12+ teams into a three day seminar is where it's at.

I realize a presenter isn't going to get to know each team intimately. But you'll have a lot less bad feelings, down time and miscommunication if you ACTUALLY read what people write and maybe watch a video or two. Agility runs are all of 40 seconds ... watching 2-3 of those for 8 teams isn't going to take you a whole lotta time.
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matildasmom
Apr. 10th, 2013 07:35 pm (UTC)
A few weeks ago I audited the first two days of a six day LM seminar. When she talked about the European handling and training she was not very positive about "all that fancy stuff". The only one she spoke well of was Silvia. I thought she was good in adapting to the dogs and handlers in the seminar. There were 9 handlers, all with border collies except one golden and another woman who traded off with her three non traditional breeds. The last two days of the seminar covered international handling. That would have been interesting to see.
dinahprincedaly
Apr. 10th, 2013 07:52 pm (UTC)
I hope this doesn't mean Terri won't be challenging us with any I-moves anymore... her comments were right in line with some distain and weariness for "that fancy crap" in the LM conversation
But she HAS been teaching it to those who have been choosing to learn it in a sequence
dinahprincedaly
Apr. 10th, 2013 10:17 pm (UTC)
keeping the magic
she may not really like having to add I-handling to her APHS brand seminars to remain commercial?
matildasmom
Apr. 10th, 2013 10:28 pm (UTC)
Re: keeping the magic
Probably not.
matildasmom
Apr. 10th, 2013 08:25 pm (UTC)
Both Terri and Judy are LM people, but Terri's a little more conservative, yes? But Judy didn't like Silvia's kik and cap. Does she still feel that way, you think?
dinahprincedaly
Apr. 10th, 2013 08:43 pm (UTC)
Nah, it was Terri who wouldn't let me use kik&cap... but they both are more accepting of verbals now and not just motion alone... however, Judy makes us do stuff without relying on verbals, to hone motion/direction/position/shoulders/arms --Judy is really on top of everyone's shoulders too
and she's just come back from Anna E's seminar chock full of fun stuff I am sure she will pass on
Terri is less maybe confident on it it seems, though has been no less game... but I wonder what this will do to her approach to teaching
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