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Just from the stuff we have been working on with Judy... I would say right here, almost right from the start, you could already be letting Matilda know she's going to be turning at the next jump... maybe cue your start with the right hand?

because here she's blasting forward and still getting fwd cues

and still getting fwd cues at take off so she's gonna give you extension over the jump

and here she is taking her next stride in full extension and you still have not given her any indication she's going to have to collect and make a sharp turn after #2... your arm is maybe just now starting up, but its all fwd cues and she's already barreling



its really not until here she's getting the message something is up and you still haven't told her what she's gonna do next because you are just turning to face her... not yet telling her she making a sharp right and you can see she's all whoa WTF??!! at takeoff... in fact if she had to guess from the way you are facing, she's NOT going right, even your left hand is indicating maybe she should be coming to your left

here again---you are still just facing her and she's in the air and looking at you (more WTF??!!) the fate of where she was going
already decided two or three strides back and even if she could split second save this, you haven't told her what she's supposed to do...



so here this is the first indication in your body direction and arms and eyes of what you want, and it looks like she's at least been able to land relatively short and managing a bend in her body to turn--she tried---but way too late for a big dog like her to stop the fwd motion at this point



and if you look at the picture above and then this one below... Good Girl Matilda---she is turning, she's making the turn behind you


and straight ahead now what does she see---the AF!!!! and she's still reading your fwd motion, so oooooooh thats where I'm supposed to be going!


I don't think there was a disconnect at all... I think she just needed more information sooner. Judy would be yelling at you to MOOOOOOOVE! to get to where you needed to be for #2... could you have even lead out to the back of #2 and started her with you facing #3?

About the zoomie... by the time she's striding onto the AF she knows thats not where she's supposed to be and I think she hates being a "bad girl"
and that is probably a whole other issue you need to figure out how to deal with 

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matildasmom
Feb. 21st, 2012 05:40 pm (UTC)
Thank you! That was great! I knew it was my handling. I need clearer and faster cues.
dinahprincedaly
Feb. 21st, 2012 10:17 pm (UTC)
also... you know the video I posted of Judy's class last week? its funny but the start of that course is the same as this one only in the opposite direction... Judy was pushing me to cue the turn, not give her too much of the bar, TRUST that Stella would get #2 and go... I got it better the second time, but I did lead out to back of #2 and on my second try I do get out of there and cue #3 plus get the FC turning her to the AF
matildasmom
Feb. 21st, 2012 05:46 pm (UTC)
I should have started back of #2 facing #3. She's been doing better with her start line stays again and I just should have trusted and tried it.
nosemovie
Feb. 21st, 2012 06:21 pm (UTC)
As for startlines (and we have none, or close to none) You wouldn't need one here, just give her a good arch and off you go. I love a course with no needed start line!
nosemovie
Feb. 21st, 2012 06:19 pm (UTC)
Hmm,I don't know the course design. But if I were handling that with mr Raze, I would have stood in the middle of 2-3 with the jumps on my left and rear crossed #4. Does that sound do-able? I'm not a dog, but I was totally confused at 2-3... I didn't know where you wanted me to go either. It was jump 4 right? White wings in front of you?
matildasmom
Feb. 21st, 2012 06:34 pm (UTC)
Yes, that's right. I was a mess. No information for her.
nosemovie
Feb. 21st, 2012 06:44 pm (UTC)
Here's a thing that really helps me. And maybe you already know this, but a reminder might help.

I was told to walk the course FIRST from my dog's point of view. So stand behind that first jump and look around. Try to do this before they set the bars, so you can actually walk right through the jumps.

As you do this, pretend you're the dog and look where they need to look to get the information. So, if you stood behind #1 and looked out and needed to know you were doing an arch to the right, what would I need to see to know that? Continue to walk the course (as per the numbers) with an eye to both what you can see (as the dog) and where you'd be looking for a handler to be to get that information.

This piece of advice really helps me. Also, the advice to NOT converge on my dog's path. Now, that might not be needed for Matilda. But for Razor, VERY needed because he won't move for me, he'll run me right over.
So had I tried to front cross late at #3 like you did, he might not have been nice like her and gone around me, he probably would have turned and plowed right into me! Call and ambulance!
matildasmom
Feb. 21st, 2012 07:01 pm (UTC)
Your reminder is helpful, about walking the course from the dog's point of view. Also about not being in Matilda's path. Being late, which I am too often, I get in her path. In fact in our JWW run in the morning Sunday I was in her path on a turn and she took out the triple, maybe it was a double.
nosemovie
Feb. 21st, 2012 07:07 pm (UTC)
You, like me, might end up benefiting from a rear cross performance. I trained them on the flat with Razor when he was a pup, so he's pretty good with them.

Watch this video. All these crosses are rears! except one that you don't see at the jump before the weaves. The last two weren't pretty, and fronts were called for there, but I'm defaulting to rears these days.

Once the dog gets the hang of them, they can be very useful to a handler that "just can't get there" for the fronts, and that would be me about 80% of the time.

http://youtu.be/rbGjIVvuVXY
matildasmom
Feb. 21st, 2012 07:18 pm (UTC)
Neat! Another skill for me to work on.
nosemovie
Feb. 21st, 2012 07:23 pm (UTC)
It can certainly "matter" who your instructor is. Many of them don't teach rears as the front cross is king. But maybe ask her/him and see what they say. You have a lovely area for working stuff, so just start w/ two jumps and see how easily she picks it up. With a dog that drives ahead (and I think M will, does) it's really pretty easy. But like anything, it's a rhythm and one that comes from practice and more practice.

You might want to try some ASCA. The runs are cheap and you do NOT have to be registered to play
http://www.agilityevents.net/index.php?page=Events

If that link works, it's ASCA shows in California. All over the place, San Diego, Temecula, Filmore, Turlock? Of course, they might be HOURS away from you, but it's an idea.
Asca courses are more wide open than AKC and allow for practice of rear crossing with fast dogs.

Just an idea. :)

nosemovie
Feb. 21st, 2012 07:24 pm (UTC)
hmm, that link takes you to the search page. So click ASCA and Cali and you're all set.
matildasmom
Feb. 21st, 2012 08:09 pm (UTC)
My instructor did teach rears, but tends to favor fronts. I've used rears with Matilda but not extensively. I'll look for the ASCA trials, Temecula isn't too far.
dinahprincedaly
Feb. 22nd, 2012 02:39 am (UTC)
you weren't a "mess" you just didn't get to where you planned to be in time... no biggie... she's gotten a lot faster and so you just have to be faster which will then make her faster... etc etc
cedarfield
Feb. 21st, 2012 06:32 pm (UTC)
A couple of questions occur to me while looking at this cool stop action sequence.

Does Matilda know how to jump and turn at the same time?
Has Matildasmom done any recall to heel or similar skill drills to teach Matilda how to jump a jump and land in the space next to her facing the direction she's going?
Has matildasmom figured out which turning cues to give when with a big, fast dog like Matilda?

matildasmom
Feb. 21st, 2012 06:45 pm (UTC)
I have done some work on some of those drills, but clearly not enough. I have Linda Mecklenburg's book, but found it hard to follow her diagrams. I now have her video, but haven't had time to get to it. I know, excuses excuses.

Matilda is a great dog and I just haven't developed the skills yet to handle her well.

cedarfield
Feb. 21st, 2012 06:50 pm (UTC)
I hear you about the diagrams in the jumping book--they're so small I have to read them with a magnifying glass. A couple of years ago I went to a LM foundation seminar and it was so helpful. She shows you how to do all those things in the book. If I hadn't gone, I doubt I would have ever figured them out from the books and articles. I think you can still buy the foundation seminar video and I highly recommend it.
matildasmom
Feb. 21st, 2012 07:07 pm (UTC)
Going to one of her seminars would be great! I'll get to work on her Handling Skills video as soon as I can, but maybe I need the foundation one, too.
cedarfield
Feb. 21st, 2012 07:29 pm (UTC)
I did a blog post on the Foundation seminar here: http://cedarfield.livejournal.com/115118.html.
matildasmom
Feb. 21st, 2012 08:16 pm (UTC)
It sounds as though it was great!
borderpap
Feb. 21st, 2012 07:49 pm (UTC)
Are you a member of her forum? It's about 125 a year and you can also audit her online jumping class for $75. I think that would help you figure out her DJS book.
matildasmom
Feb. 21st, 2012 08:18 pm (UTC)
No, I'm not a member of her forum. The online jumping class sounds good.
borderpap
Feb. 21st, 2012 08:23 pm (UTC)
In order to do the online jumping class, you have to be a member of the forum. It's closed for working spots, but I am auditing it and it's worth it for her comments. The other thing you can do is do a search of youtube. LOTS of people posted what they went through and that might help too.
matildasmom
Feb. 21st, 2012 08:28 pm (UTC)
Good idea!
dinahprincedaly
Feb. 21st, 2012 09:54 pm (UTC)
I was thinking of your second question too... that is a learned skill.
cedarfield
Feb. 21st, 2012 09:57 pm (UTC)
Definitely, especially for a large dog.
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