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wuweibaby
May. 3rd, 2016 12:16 pm (UTC)
Huh.

That's not depressing enough, is it?
dinahprincedaly
May. 3rd, 2016 03:39 pm (UTC)
Glad they took the opportunity to do that study... But yeah depressing
moodypdx
May. 3rd, 2016 02:57 pm (UTC)
I watched an HBO special that approached this topic as well. I know my metabolic rate is off, there is no way it couldn't be. I track my calories, exercise very, very regularly, but have the most difficult time losing weight. I gained 15lbs back of my original 65# loss in 2012, can not for the life of me get it off! I am hoping with more hiking this summer it will help, but sometimes I do feel like I am fighting a weight loss battle and not living like I should be. Very depressing in some ways. Now to go research on leptin;)

Edited at 2016-05-03 03:02 pm (UTC)
dinahprincedaly
May. 3rd, 2016 03:42 pm (UTC)
At times in my life when I have lost weight simply because I was at my happiest and taking care of myself and not so needy of food I really think my metabolism sped up... So I'm thinking there could be other hormonal stuff other chemistry in the mix to metabolism rate
nosemovie
May. 3rd, 2016 03:46 pm (UTC)
I totally agree with this!
moodypdx
May. 3rd, 2016 03:47 pm (UTC)
I 100% agree. Happiest in life I am usually healthiest;)
brisbeethewhite
May. 3rd, 2016 03:16 pm (UTC)
I read this yesterday, mostly I was struck by this comment:

"I'm very hungry all day, every day. My battle plan to keep myself thin -- and healthy -- is this: Remove myself from food. Go to Walmart and look at the enormous people filling their shopping carts to overflowing and strengthen my resolve to not resemble them. Go for a walk. Build a bookshelf. Hang a wash on the line. Visit a museum. Do not eat, no matter what.

Face the fact that I will always be hungry. But I will not ever again be fat."

Our relationships with food and body image in this country is just sad.
moodypdx
May. 3rd, 2016 03:32 pm (UTC)
"Our relationships with food and body image in this country is just sad." Said from someone who has never been obese;)

Yes, I agree it is sad, but there is more at work than just our relationship with food or body image. When the average caloric intake for a woman of your height and size, to maintain what you currently weigh, is 600 to 700 calories less than what you are allowed daily, well that is more than a relationship or image issue, that's dinner and part of lunch. It's not just about appearances, it is about health. Cardiovascular, cancers, diabetes. The western diet has done good for nobody except big business;)

If that is how that woman is keeping herself physically healthy she is doing what she has to do, especially if she has to eat half the calories in a day than another woman her height and size to stay healthy. I think we need to change the food we eat. The rest will follow. Hopefully the next generation will look at sugar/high fructose in the way this generation looks at smoking.

Edited at 2016-05-03 03:34 pm (UTC)
dinahprincedaly
May. 3rd, 2016 03:43 pm (UTC)
The next generation smokes... At least in this neck of the woods
moodypdx
May. 3rd, 2016 03:49 pm (UTC)
I guess I am not exposed to it much, but it isn't being prescribed by doctors anymore;)
nosemovie
May. 3rd, 2016 03:43 pm (UTC)
Yep.
dinahprincedaly
May. 3rd, 2016 03:44 pm (UTC)
She's fighting an addiction.
moodypdx
May. 3rd, 2016 03:49 pm (UTC)
Very much so.
nosemovie
May. 3rd, 2016 03:45 pm (UTC)
I saw this in the NYT yesterday. And I wasn't surprised. If the Biggest Loser wasn't just an entertainment show, they'd spend the NEXT 4 seasons looking back at their contestants and showing that this type of crap never works.

Health. Moving, being limber, being strong. All those things can happen and STILL not make you fit in a size 6.

I wish we could come up with ways to show people (especially women) that "size" isn't as important as health.
moodypdx
May. 3rd, 2016 03:54 pm (UTC)
I agree. But there is science supporting that extra weight, especially around the middle, is linked to cancer and cardiovascular diseases. So size and health are linked together, making the lines even blurrier.

Edited at 2016-05-03 03:56 pm (UTC)
meecie
May. 3rd, 2016 04:16 pm (UTC)
While this is true, it's not ever been a "causal" relationship. Extra weight is a symptom and end result, like cancer and heart disease. Of course this doesn't mean not to try for optimal health, but as others have said, weight is not the best metric for effort (self worth) and health.
moodypdx
May. 3rd, 2016 04:48 pm (UTC)
I agree that weight is not the best metric for self worth and health. By all standards I am healthy. Blood work perfect, heart rate good, blood pressure amazing, everything says I am healthy, except my weight;) So I know I am healthy, but I also know I move better and easier the less I weigh. My biggest fear is not being mobile when I'm older, that I will not be agile, able to get on and off the toilet, not be able to do the things I love to do, to take care of myself. Real issues for people as they age, and harder if carrying extra weight. I watch many people every week over the age of 60, all sizes doing what they love to do, but the ones carrying the extra weight have a much harder time. The ones in their 70's even harder, many quit and become more sedate, which is not what I want for myself. I know from experience that it is easier to move the less I weigh, so I struggle every day with this knowledge. Still, it doesn't always stop me from eating the licorice versus the broccoli.
meecie
May. 6th, 2016 10:00 am (UTC)
I'm certainly not advocating "giving up" and becoming sedate :-) I too work very hard to keep my body strong. I'm also not saying my knees wouldn't be happier with less weight to carry around. However, they'd also be happier if they'd been congenitally formed correctly so the bones didn't rub ;-) (the arthritis started when I was in my early 20's, and "thin" by anyone's standards).

I also think that every single one of us will have 1 or more periods in our life when we're not mobile, and dependent on others, from injury, or illness. Sucks, but it's the case. I can try to keep myself strong to minimize these, and when they happen I can work hard to regain my strength, but I've watched too many people blame themselves with things they "should have" done to prevent injuries and illness when clearly there's nothing they could have done. Life's too short to carry that sort of self-criticizing behavior.

What I AM saying is that I refuse to diet, in the calorie or food group restriction sense (I'm all for aiming to eat higher vegetable-content, or adding more protein). I refuse to spend the rest of my life on an always-escalating battle to try to keep weight off and blaming myself when I can't (and probably screwing up my metabolism in the process). Again, life's too short.

And for what it's worth, I agree with what you said about sugar above (waaaay too much of it in our diets), but I also think it's likely more complicated than that. We have known for decades that feeding antibiotics to livestock fattens them up quickly, why are we somehow of the opinion that a quick course of antibiotics for a sinus infection wouldn't have any side effects for us? Don't get me wrong, I think antibiotics are good things, dying of infections is bad, but they're not without their effects on our population. Metabolism is very complicated, we really don't understand it yet at all. I'm guessing one day we'll sort it out and people will look back on this era of antibiotic use, sugar consumption, and barbaric weight loss plans and shake our heads at our ignorance.
matildasmom
May. 3rd, 2016 06:48 pm (UTC)
I'm listening to Air Talk on the radio right now. They're discussing this study. Interesting.

I'm lucky to have a pretty good metabolism, but I agree with Dinah that I tend to feel the healthiest and eat in healthy ways when I'm feeling happy.

dinahprincedaly
May. 3rd, 2016 09:05 pm (UTC)
Actually what I was trying to say, and not very well, that I believe a real and deep happiness can change metabolism. Not the eating better and better care, of course that can happen, is more likely to happen. But that happiness can change your whole chemistry, what parts of your brain you use as well as what parts of your body ;) and ultimately also change metabolism rate.
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