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Remember that OMD training course I posted yesterday? Here it is done flawlessly by real OMD stylers and that little part I kept having trouble with and stalling out is set right in the front of this video and maybe if it had been set up like this in this kind of space it would have been less of a pokey spot for us too, but who knows:


and I just posted this question on the OMD FB page to see what they might have to say: How long are your training sessions? With seasoned dog vs. greener dog? For example on training course #1 how would you break down a training session for the dog and handler just beginning to learn OMD moves?
then I added: Also, if this changes the answers to the above questions: What if you only have access to train on obstacles once a week? How would you break that session down? AND what would your training consist of for the rest of the week without obstacles?

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dinahprincedaly
Apr. 12th, 2014 05:43 pm (UTC)
From Janitta:
It's depends more on the dog than it's age. Some dogs can train very little before they start to pant. But normally our trainings with the obstacles are 10-20 minutes / a dog once a week.
dinahprincedaly
Apr. 12th, 2014 07:09 pm (UTC)
And this from Janita too:
We run more without the dogs (we run with virtual / imaginary dogs) than with the dogs. Only 20 % of our students have Border Collies. If I'm not talking about the time, but amount of the obstacles. The dog who runs the course, maximum 60-70 obstacles in one training.The dogs who still have to think more, 20-40 obstacles in one training.
penichops
Apr. 13th, 2014 09:40 am (UTC)
What did you think of the answers?

Those teams in this video are so smooth aren't they? :) "Do It" was in class with Badger, he sure has sped up.
dinahprincedaly
Apr. 13th, 2014 02:47 pm (UTC)
Well seeing as I am 90% the one to be trained---yes running the imaginary dog I'd already figured out as you know. And I think my next video for them will have to be with my imaginary dog. I wonder what breed my dog should be. Or I think I could have several different breeds as they are so easy to take care of... The video credits could say Dinah & Stingray (Sting) the cattle dog and Dinah & Butterfly (Fly) the papillion and Muppleluppagus the doodle and Dinah & Jhette (Jet) the border collie. Or like that.
I'll have to view the vid again for Badge's classmate. Yes they are smooth and I think I am the only one who seems to include bloopers in my OMD vids or perhaps I am the only one who HAS BLOOPERS to include... Sigh.

So her answer for the amount of training time for Stella is roughly what we would get accomplished in one of Soshana's classes and maybe a little more than what we'd do in Judy's class. I think yeah more training time is possible when you are alternating with classmates or yer other dogs. So I wonder if then you aren't supposed to do any training beyond that outside of class... Hmmm honestly I think Silvia would have given a more thoughtful answer. Because I think she is training (playing) all the time and would have some more ideas to offer about what up do with Stella between the short training with Stell on equipment and with imaginary dogs. Although I could just be thinking this is what my imaginary Silvia would do.

What did you think of janita's answer?
penichops
Apr. 14th, 2014 03:28 am (UTC)
I wondered exactly the same things after I saw Janita's response to you on FB (very handy when it came up in my feeds! :) ) I kinda wish she had been a bit more detailed and answered each of the questions separately but I understand she is very nice to have answered at all. I just wanted to know the answers!! ;)

I think your imaginary dog should be Stella otherwise Muppleluppagus might come out at your next competition and you will look weird when you show up without your dog in ring hehehehe

I found it was hard to run Imaginary Panshanger because she was very different (commitment to obstacles, turning ability, speed) depending on the sunshine/location/dogs she met on the way to the ring/southern ocilation index, so I wonder how people with a variable dog are supposed to run imaginary dog? But either way it was very good advice and it sounds like 60% of their time is with Imaginary Dog which is quite a lot compared to what I normally do. Hmmmm. Good stuff.

I have a feeling the Polish people had done that course a few times and didn't post their bloopers. Doesn't that suck for us ?



dinahprincedaly
Apr. 14th, 2014 04:51 am (UTC)
Variable dogs precisely. Stella has a few different dogs inside her depending on the dogs we meet along the way and if those dogs say anything to her. So when I walk a course at a trial I have to try to walk it with happy fast Stella and also pokey worried Stella in mind. So yes, which imaginary dog to bring out for practice. I guess some of both.
dinahprincedaly
Apr. 13th, 2014 04:35 pm (UTC)
I'm going to quit trialling now for a couple months. Didn't go today. Switching up priorities. Already feel better.
These are my first home works for myself. I stole from this gals vimeo, sketched all of em and will work piece by piece over time. http://vimeo.com/m/91832448
Stella hates little intricatey things and collects to pokeythisisnofun mode. Must fix this. My training goal -Stella to love little intricatey. Even though that's not what these exercises are--these seem to be all about training the handler to getouttathere!!! I need that.
penichops
Apr. 14th, 2014 03:32 am (UTC)
hhahaha, yay Australians! That is Natalie and 2B :) I watched this video too last night

She is actually a rather super handler and runs 100 dogs so don't be too scared if yours doesn't come out the same.

It's hard for some dogs to like tight little things isn't it? Especially when you are a big gorgeous girl like Stella. That is what I have noticed with Badger, he is so small and bendy it is SO much easier for him to like little stuff.
dinahprincedaly
Apr. 14th, 2014 04:56 am (UTC)
I'm sure it's the way I handle the tight parts that's makes her all hesitant and questiony. She can be bendy if she knows exactly what she's doing next....
penichops
Apr. 14th, 2014 05:31 am (UTC)
I don't know if it is your handling that is so bad? When I watch this clip of yours from the other day she seems flat when you are not moving. Any time you have to stand still a lot she starts standing still too. And because that course was so tight (due to goofers, is that what you call them?) especially in the hard bit up the back, you have to stand still and she gets all trotty. Of course when she is feeling spunky she probably doesn't stand around like this so it probably wouldn't be a problem on another day.

Sorry I am in a very 'analysing' mood so tell me to shut up when you get sick of it.

dinahprincedaly
Apr. 14th, 2014 11:05 am (UTC)
Appreciating your analyzing mood.
1) So yep she OFTEN slows when I slow down yes (and some of the time she is supposed to)
2) but The REALLY Skillful know the best ways to handle tight-no-motion spots in ways that simulate if not actually show more motion... and when I am not trying to learn something, and being all distracted by that, and hearing that little voice--you suck--I know a little about picking her up closer to the sat obstacle so I can have room to move to the next, but thats about all the tricks i got in my sticky spots fix-it bag.
3) sending and leaving is/would have to be a SERIOUSLY TRAINED skill with Stella because she is a second guesser since she is my learning how to do this dog and screw up a lot
3a) I wish there was a book of exercises on ramping up obstacle focus for the thinking too much dog
4) it is no accident that she is slow at the part in that exercise I never figure out exactly how I want to handle it/how I should handle it/how either OMD handler does it in their vid.

Edited at 2014-04-14 01:48 pm (UTC)
matildasmom
Apr. 14th, 2014 02:36 pm (UTC)
I admire so much what you're able to do with Stella. I couldn't do such a long, challenging course with either of my dogs. It would take me forever just to memorize the course. If I could figure out to handle it, maybe Matilda would do it with me in a home setting. Joey doesn't have all the skills yet or the stamina for such a long and challenging course.
penichops
Apr. 15th, 2014 04:08 am (UTC)
1. Ok

2. I think you make a most excellent point here. For Stella your handling needs to be about how to keep her in movement and with clarity (if I have paraphrased that correctly?). Like the first part of the exercise, I was SO UBER IMPRESSED with how you handled the first 7 obstacles that I went home and tried to replicate it and failed. You freaking ACED that part and make it looks so easy! And in that part you could be well ahead. It would be interesting to try "Pokey North Corner" in all the different possibilities and see which options Stella looked most happy with. There are SO many options for that part of the sequence. It is very cool.

3. Yep I don't think you can help that with a 'learning dog' can you? And I think I am still doing this to Badger and he is my 3rd one ...boohoohoo :(. I suppose gradually more difficult/highly rewarded single jump work? I don't know myself but Badger needs this too.

4. Ok good point but don't take on all the blame yourself ok? And I expect you to tell me off in the future for saying exactly the same thing ;)

I am going to have a crack at 8-13 tonight. Wish me luck! Even that Blind cross scares me and I think that is meant to be the easy part
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