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So what are the key ingredients and handling prerequisites that make a course an internationalized course?

And why are some people in an uproar about this?

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dinahprincedaly
Mar. 6th, 2013 03:52 pm (UTC)
ok... this from Steve Agilitynerd is pretty clear and wow even two jump international-ish exercises I can even take to Prospect Park in my golf shoulder caddy!!!!

http://agilitynerd.com/blog/agility/courses/misc/international-two-jump-drills.html
dinahprincedaly
Mar. 6th, 2013 03:55 pm (UTC)
but i'm really liking team small dog's take off on Daisy's blog entry... what coolio peeps are in this game!!!

daisy:
http://www.daisypeel.com/blog/international-agility-haute-couture-for-handlers/
team small dog:
http://blog.teamsmalldog.com/2013/03/blowback-trending-manifestic-call-to.html

Edited at 2013-03-06 03:56 pm (UTC)
nosemovie
Mar. 6th, 2013 04:02 pm (UTC)
In a nutshell. Remember all the times they told you to STAND UP!???
forget that.

and as for keeping your eye on your dog, GONE... It's ok, you can teach them to bark real loud, then you'll always know where they are. :)
dinahprincedaly
Mar. 6th, 2013 04:07 pm (UTC)
are people upset because maybe only the really young and agile (handlers) will survive this change???
nosemovie
Mar. 6th, 2013 04:23 pm (UTC)
Well, like Laura hinted at. There are many reasons to NOT want to run your dog this way.
Here are some off the top of my head:

1. You have to train a whole new way of dog directionals. Going "around" a jump just wasn't "done" but now you have to actually have a CUE for it.
2. approaches are much more tricky now, and fast, long striding dogs (who are bulldozers, like mine) are going to knock shit down.

3. You have to BE there... No more distance handling.
3b. If you HAVE trained for distance handling (go-ons, motion based sends, etc) you're going to have ONE hella confused dog on your hands.

4. It's different (to us!) and different = bad! don't cha know?

I think it's awesome. I love watching this style of handling and have loved it for many years now. I will be happy to see American teams get on the train and tear this stuff up.

I also, FULLY trust, that people like that NADAC woman, CPE, ASCA, and to some extent, even USDAA will continue to offer "american style" courses that play to the strengths of dogs who have been trained in that way. I'm not worried in the LEAST that this will take over the sport and there won't be "regular" options.

Also, as for "skill, speed, etc..." It's different, but it's still just training your dog. There are challenges whereever you want to find them. I'm sure if some Swedish gal brought her dog out to a NADAC course she'd be pretty challenged due to her dogs not being able to work away from her much. But that's just my guess.
purpledogs
Mar. 6th, 2013 05:28 pm (UTC)
I also fully trust that the "american style" course options won't be going anywhere. I don't think, with the way our sport is set up here, we can get rid of those options and still have a sport. And I don't think that's a bad thing... the options are fantastic.

But that is just it, we need more options... and so far it seems we are on the path to getting them. :)
nosemovie
Mar. 6th, 2013 05:39 pm (UTC)
As in ANY consumer product, demand will push supply. If enough people sign up for this stuff (and they will) it will exist. I like seeing the changes coming, I think it will increase the ability to "Think" in the sport.

Now, NADAC... I wonder at how that continues, such a strange "version" of what used to be the sport.
dinahprincedaly
Mar. 6th, 2013 04:17 pm (UTC)
life is all snooker all the time?
heh heh. and i guess there goes that notion that they should naturally take the obstacle in their path, i mean it looks like very little is straight on face value...
purpledogs
Mar. 6th, 2013 05:25 pm (UTC)
haaaaa, love
nosemovie
Mar. 6th, 2013 05:28 pm (UTC)
I swear, a quiet dog is the death of me. If he's not barking to tell me what side he's on... I'm LOST!
penichops
Mar. 7th, 2013 02:07 am (UTC)
Oh and NEVER run backwards, forget that
And Never end up on the outside of your course, forget that too.
meecie
Mar. 6th, 2013 04:06 pm (UTC)
You've already found all the links that I have about it. I don't see this as a bad thing, but any change will get people into an uproar. I like the "bark really loud" solution. :-)
dinahprincedaly
Mar. 6th, 2013 04:20 pm (UTC)
it doesn't seem like a sudden change... i mean i think my teachers have been incorporating some of these things little by little in their class sequences and not saying tadah! international handling!!!! just handling...
meecie
Mar. 6th, 2013 04:23 pm (UTC)
That's true for me too. Though my first instructor was big on the "the dog should take the obstacle in front of them unless otherwise instructed" and that's going out the window. Not a problem for my dogs, since Riley is too velcro to do that, and Jodah never trained with her anyway (we had a more international-style trainer when I started him).
dinahprincedaly
Mar. 6th, 2013 04:25 pm (UTC)
i'm not saying we are doing whole courses of this stuff, just here and there like adding spices... spicing it up.
cedarfield
Mar. 7th, 2013 03:36 am (UTC)
International style course are really fun to run and I enjoy trying to train and handle the "new" moves. I also find "regular" agility is plenty challenging and open to new ways of training and handling so I'm just happy to have more options.
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